yatteyanyo: (for the moment that the sky will strike)
蘇我 屠自古 Soga no Tojiko ([personal profile] yatteyanyo) wrote in [community profile] piratejournal2013-12-04 02:14 pm

[voice]

Calling all able and willing ships.

Since it has been apparent that multiple ships will be raiding Isla Empieza, I find it imperative that we have a proper strategy. Even with all of us, we are outnumbered and, very likely, outgunned.

The strategy I have proposed is using magics and other talents to create a foggy mass, possibly stormlike in appearance, that will disguise our approach and fool the Navy into not firing a single shot until we are already behind them and at the advantage.

Though I am open to other ideas. Anything beyond a full frontal assault has some merit, but if you're going to suggest some suicidal blazing guns routine, I'm going to politely ask you to shove it and let the real strategists talk.

So. Suggestions?
grizzly_tea: (OBJECTION!)

[Voice]

[personal profile] grizzly_tea 2013-12-06 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Absoultely not! There will be no dispatching of the navy fleet while I am around. While these people may want all of us dead, they are still law abiding officials merely trying to maintain order. I do not want any of them killed unless absolutely necessary, and I certainly will not approve of destroying the entire fleet or occupying force!

I agree that striking one point of this blockade is the more logical course of action in this scenario, if we are going to break through the blockade rather than try to slip through it, but it should not require the destruction of the entire occupying navy! We may be able to negotiate with the occupying force if we capture their command ship's leaders, or at the very least cause enough confusion in their ranks to slip in and rescue the newcomers.
Edited 2013-12-06 14:01 (UTC)
grizzly_tea: (That is most unflattering)

[personal profile] grizzly_tea 2013-12-07 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
Don't talk to me about being prepared to take a life child. I've fought in two major wars, and I know very well that taking lives is a necessary part of combat. It's not a simple matter of morality though, it's also a matter of diplomacy! If we go killing the entire occupation force on the island, we'd invoke the wrath of the entire navy worldwide!

There's just... so many problems with this plan!
grizzly_tea: (Why I never!)

[personal profile] grizzly_tea 2013-12-07 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
Then you may count yourself with one less ship in your plan, because the Shepherds shall not have any part of it.
abundantlove: (determined)

[personal profile] abundantlove 2013-12-07 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
Maribelle-san...

... No one wants to avoid taking a life more than I do. But those of us on the Shepherd want to help the people who will be trapped. And... what she said was a sound strategy...

I do not believe that she was advocating we kill the entire fleet either. She said as much. But we can't do this on our own, and... speaking as first mate... we can't do this on our own.

I'm young, and I won't lie, I'm very naive. I haven't ever fought a battle where I've had to take someone's life... the idea paralyzes me...

... but so does knowing that it's in my power to help, and not being able to do anything. And I couldn't face myself, as a young woman, as a Precure, or as a sailor if I knew we walked away from our only chance to be a part of helping these people... even if it means fighting with higher stakes than other battles...

As part of this initiative, we have the power to make sure this doesn't turn into a massacre. I know you're passionate, and you have a sense of honor, and I admire that greatly. That is why I know you will make the right decision.

Please, Lady Maribelle, reconsider this position.
abundantlove: (I don't get it)

[private to Maribelle]

[personal profile] abundantlove 2013-12-07 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
... also we kind of have Henry-san on the crew, which... ha ha... I think we need to be more worried about him than the other crews... >_>;
justicereigns: (angry mark)

[personal profile] justicereigns 2013-12-07 07:30 am (UTC)(link)
In killing marines? Exactly how do you expect us to see eye to eye on that?

Our goals are entirely at odds!

What you're suggesting is completely sabotaging any chances we could have had to diplomatically speak with the navy and convince them that offworlders aren't a threat.

Tch..... [Just a growl. There's a reason he hasn't been speaking up through almost all of this.]
justicereigns: (fierce justice)

[personal profile] justicereigns 2013-12-07 08:29 am (UTC)(link)
No, I cannot.

And correct, "marines" are the term for my world, and yes I realize that these are not my marines. But not you nor anyone else here understand anything about them either! You wish to fight them because as far as you know they wish to fight you, but at least they're not hunting you down yet for that purpose.

No one knows why they're closing off the island other than basic fear, but however little they're willing to discuss terms now, they'll be that much less willing after they're attacked. Or is it you who judges them so inhumanly?

We will not help murder anyone.

So far in this world, outsiders seem to get brought back from the dead, but we do not know that the same is true for natives here and you cannot assume they won't negotiate when you never give them a chance, plotting instead the best ways to kill them!

If we are rats here, we're rats who started off by killing, stealing, and being just as unable to contact the owners of this "house" as rats are to a human. I don't intend to stay in that position, nor to rush headlong into an obvious trap with the purpose of murdering someone who could still otherwise be an ally.
justicereigns: (My Justice)

[personal profile] justicereigns 2013-12-07 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
No. But we can't help if you don't intend to find as peaceful a resolution as possible.

And I will never work alongside certain pirates.
justicereigns: looking over shoulder in the dark, heading up the stairs, justice on the jacket clearly visible (justice in the darkness)

[personal profile] justicereigns 2013-12-07 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
Adding chaos would not help save their lives.
justicereigns: (bandaid justice)

[personal profile] justicereigns 2013-12-07 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I meant the Navy.
rosettawall: (♧ - 003)

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[personal profile] rosettawall 2013-12-07 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Maribelle-san, if I could have a moment?

Judging by what I have seen occur through reports in this last month, I am concerned that this stance may be not in our favor.

I am beginning to believe no matter how many niceties are paid towards this Navy, I do not think that they are going to be returned.

By all accounts, I suspect no matter what our actions, they shall treat us as much their enemies as others.
Edited 2013-12-07 03:23 (UTC)
grizzly_tea: (We are superior)

[Private, Written]

[personal profile] grizzly_tea 2013-12-07 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
...

I understand that, but changing our stance to that of killers of law enforcement is very unwise. You may think that they will think of us as enemies no matter what, but there is quite a bit of difference between dissidents and murderers.

There are many actions I am willing to have our crew take, but killing countless numbers of navy officers, merely trying to protect the lives of the innocent, is not something I will allow. I am willing to infiltrate, I am willing to sabotage, I am willing to kidnap and ransom naval officers. We will not kill unless absolutely necessary.
rosettawall: (♧ - 018)

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[personal profile] rosettawall 2013-12-07 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
Mind you, I did not say to do that, either.

We do not have very much to leverage on our end. We lack manpower. Though all of us on board may be capable, we are very few in number.

I do not advocate wholesale slaughter, but I do believe there is an extent of this where even if we are taking an initiative, we are defending ourselves at the same time. And many others. Those who won't know what they're stepping into.

Should we antagonize those that have done us no harm, and defend those who would do us harm, at a time when others' lives are at stake? That may sound like a harsh choice, but it is the one we are faced with.
Edited 2013-12-07 04:02 (UTC)